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Sharing your ideas of Confucius's choice on Yan Yuan's funeral.

By 张婷 老师 5天前 2187次浏览

Question: How do you comment on Confucius’s refusal to pay for buying a shell for Yan Yuan’s coffin? Does it show Confucius's lack of sincerity in his "love" toward his so-called "favorite" student?

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  • 4班袁馨 1天前

    Confucius chose a simple and modest funeral for his beloved disciple Yan Yuan, reflecting his values of frugality and propriety. He believed that the essence of mourning lies in sincerity and respect rather than in elaborate rituals or expensive arrangements. This decision underscores Confucius's emphasis on inner virtue over outward display, aligning with his teachings on the importance of moral integrity and the cultivation of personal character.

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  • 06黄胜凤 1天前

    He might have emphasized simplicity yet solemnity in line with the ethical and ritual norms of that time. Confucius attached great importance to rituals in general, and for Yan Yuan's funeral, he would have wanted everything to be done appropriately to send off this disciple with dignity while also expressing his profound sense of loss.

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  • 2022级4班周晓娜 1天前

    Confucius was a firm believer in the importance of adhering to the rites , which were the social norms and traditions of his time. He believed that funeral and burial should be based on mourning and sincerity, and that Yan Yuan’s family was poor, so he should have been buried according to his ability, without extravagance .

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  • 6班邓瑞 1天前

    Confucius's decision not to pay for a shell for Yan Yuan's coffin is a complex issue that requires understanding the context and values of the time. According to the Analects, when Yan Yuan, one of Confucius's most beloved disciples, died, some of Confucius's other students suggested that they should buy a shell (a type of ornament) for Yan Yuan's coffin as a sign of respect. However, Confucius refused, stating that Yan Yuan was a man of virtue and that such an expense would be inappropriate.

     

        While Confucius was deeply grieved by Yan Yuan's death, he also valued rational thinking and adherence to principles. His refusal could be seen as a way to maintain a balance between personal emotion and the broader ethical framework he upheld.

     

         As a teacher and role model, Confucius may have wanted to set an example for his students and society at large, showing that true respect and love are not measured by material possessions but by the sincerity of one's actions and adherence to moral principles.

     

      It is important to note that Confucius's refusal does not necessarily indicate a lack of sincerity in his affection for Yan Yuan. On the contrary, the depth of his grief over Yan Yuan's death, as recorded in the Analects, suggests a profound emotional connection. Confucius's actions were guided by his deep commitment to his philosophical and ethical beliefs, which sometimes required him to make difficult decisions that might not be immediately understood by others.

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  • 3班谢前丽 1天前

    Yan Yuan lived a poor and simple life and always followed the rites. Confucius knew that he would not want to be buried extravagantly after his death. Therefore, Confucius' choice was also out of respect for Yan Yuan's own will and character.

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  • 4班江好 1天前

    Confucius's decision regarding Yan Yuan's funeral reflects his deep commitment to his principles and the importance he placed on propriety (礼 lǐ) and filial piety (孝 xiào). Yan Yuan was one of Confucius's most beloved disciples, known for his virtue and dedication to learning. When Yan Yuan died, Confucius was deeply grieved and wished to provide him with an honorable funeral.

     

    However, Confucius faced a dilemma: he did not have enough money to finance the funeral himself, and he was offered help from a government position, which would have been improper according to his ethical standards. Confucius believed that accepting such aid would be a form of personal gain, and it could be seen as using his relationship with Yan Yuan to benefit himself, which would be against the principle of righteousness (义 yì).

     

    In the end, Confucius decided not to accept the offer and instead arranged a modest funeral for Yan Yuan within his means. This decision demonstrates Confucius's adherence to his moral code, even in times of personal sorrow. It shows that for Confucius, maintaining one's integrity and upholding the right way of conduct were more important than outward displays of wealth or status.

     

    This story is often cited as an example of how Confucian ethics prioritize moral integrity over material considerations and how personal relationships should not be used for personal gain. It also highlights the value Confucius placed on the sincerity of mourning and the appropriate expression of grief, which are central to Confucian thought on rituals and social harmony.

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  • 07冯梨 1天前

    Confucius's refusal to sell his carriage for Yan Yuan's outer coffin was not a sign of lack of love or sincerity.It reflected adherence to social norms and the principle of propriety.Confucius valued social order and appropriate behavior for one's status,which dictated his actions.His grief over Yan Yuan's death showed deep affection for his student.

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  • 6班李素泉 1天前

    Confucius’s refusal to pay for a shell for Yan Yuan’s coffin reflects his adherence to moral principles rather than insincerity in his affection. While it might seem unkind, his action emphasizes that true love transcends material support; it is rooted in fostering virtue and ethical behavior. By prioritizing honor and humility, Confucius illustrates that genuine affection is demonstrated through character development rather than extravagant gestures. This incident highlights the complexity of his teachings on what it truly means to honor a beloved student.

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  • 2022级5班白明月 1天前

    Confucius showed deep emotion at Yan Huis funeral,yet he also adhered to his respect and compliance with rituals.He opposed his disciplesattempts to hold an extravagant funeral for Yan Hui,believing that the arrangements should be based on Yan Huis familys actual financial situation.This reflected his commitment to the Zhou rituals and his advocacy for frugality.Confuciuss choice demonstrated the balance between emotion and ritual propriety,expressing his mourning for Yan Hui while maintaining the seriousness and rationality of traditional rituals.His actions reflected the importance of rituals in Confucian thought,showing that even in the face of the death of a close disciple,he did not lose his adherence to traditional etiquette.

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  • 4班彭玉萍 1天前

    When people die, it's like a lamp goes out. Consciousness has dissipated between heaven and earth. People who die don't know what their funerals are like. Sorrow at funerals is a performance for the living.True love is only in the heart.

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  • 2班李幸芷 1天前

    Confucius had a deep affection for his disciple Yan Yuan. When it came to Yan Yuan's funeral, his attitude was a reflection of his values.

    Confucius advocated simplicity in funerals according to the rituals of the time. For Yan Yuan, he showed his grief and respect. Confucius thought that the funeral should be carried out in a way that was in line with propriety. He was pained by the loss of such an excellent disciple and tried to ensure that the funeral arrangements were a fitting tribute to Yan Yuan's character and his status as a follower and learner of the Confucian way. At the same time, this was also an example of how Confucius emphasized the importance of proper ceremonies and the expression of genuine emotions in such solemn contexts.

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  • 4班程迎会 1天前

    Confucius's refusal to pay for a shell for Yan Yuan's coffin signifies his deep respect for the deceased and underscores the significance he attaches to preserving dignity and honor in death. This action does not reflect a lack of sincerity in his affection for his "favorite" student; instead, it exemplifies his adherence to traditional values and his dedication to maintaining the deceased's dignity.

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  • 2022级7班黄丹 1天前

    Confucius' choice of funeral rites for Yan Hui reflects the conflict between his personal feelings and social norms. Personally, he loved Yanhui deeply and wanted to send him off with a high-standard funeral; From the point of view of social norms, this was against the etiquette of the time. This reflects the dialectical relationship between Confucian feelings and rites.

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  • 6班张馨文 1天前

    I think Confucius' handling of Yan's funeral followed the rules of ritual.Confucius obeyed the rituals.

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  • 邓力3班 1天前

    I think his behavior is not good. because in the period of ChunQin, li was ignore. 

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  • 2班王艺霖 1天前

    Confucius's choice regarding Yan Yuan's funeral rituals exemplifies his deep commitment to humaneness and propriety. Yan Yuan, a devoted disciple, died young, causing Confucius profound sorrow. Despite financial concerns raised by other disciples, Confucius insisted on an elaborate funeral, reflecting his high regard for Yan Yuan’s virtues and their close relationship. This decision underscores Confucius's emphasis on the sincerity and emotional depth behind rituals, rather than mere formalities. It demonstrates how personal relationships and moral values can transcend practical considerations, highlighting the importance of honoring one's commitments and expressing genuine feelings in Confucian ethics.

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  • 3班潘颜 1天前

    Confucius's refusal to dismantle his carriage for Yan Yuan's coffin reflects his commitment to social norms and practical considerations, not a lack of sincerity toward his favorite student. In Confucius's time, funeral customs were governed by social hierarchy, and an outer shell was reserved for those of higher rank, which Yan Yuan did not hold. Providing one would have disrupted established norms. Furthermore, the carriage was essential for Confucius's duties and status. By maintaining these priorities, Confucius showed respect for both his own role and Yan Yuan's dignity, highlighting his adherence to propriety and balanced judgment.

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  • 4班陈紫依 1天前

    Confucius deeply respected Yan Yuan, his loyal and virtuous disciple. When Yan Yuan died, Confucius wanted to honor his memory through a funeral ceremony.

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  • 2班钟兰 1天前

    In my opinion, Confucius' choice is the embodiment of his proposition of self-denial and courtesy. Even for his favorite students, he sticks to the etiquette system and never gives in, which is precisely one of his personal qualities.

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  • 3班吴方方 1天前

    Confucius' choice regarding Yan Yuan's funeral rituals showed his deep affection and high regard for his disciple. It emphasized the importance of propriety and his personal feelings. By following elaborate rituals, it also set an example of how to honor the virtuous and dear ones.

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  • 3班刘芷君 1天前

    Confucius thought such a thick burial was wrong. Because he believes that ethics should be observed.

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  • 三班晁可欣 1天前

      From my point of view, it reflects his emphasis on ritual propriety, status, and responsibility, rather than a lack of affection for Yan Yuan.
      He placed the responsibility for the funeral on the disciples rather than himself. This has clearly expressed his deep affection for Yan Yuan, emphasizing spiritual recognition over material support.

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  • 4班陈亚妮 1天前

    Confucius emphasized the importance of following rituals throughout his life. In the case of Yan Yuan's funeral, he believed that it should be carried out in accordance with Yan Yuan's social status and corresponding ritual norms, and should not be arbitrarily exceeded.

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  • 02余佳欣 1天前

    Confucius's approach to Yan Yuan's funeral rituals reflects his deep commitment to the principles of respect and propriety, which are central to his teachings. Yan Yuan, one of Confucius’s most beloved disciples, was known for his virtues and dedication to learning. The way Confucius chose to honor him in death underscores the importance of filial piety and the moral responsibilities we have towards those we admire and respect.

    Confucius emphasized that rituals (li) are vital for maintaining social harmony and showing respect to others, especially in moments of mourning. By conducting proper funeral rites for Yan Yuan, Confucius not only celebrated his disciple's life and contributions but also reinforced the social and moral order that he valued.

    This choice can be seen as a teaching moment, highlighting the impact of one’s morals and character on others and the significance of rituals in expressing those values. It serves as a reminder of how we should honor those who have influenced us positively, reinforcing the idea that respect and remembrance are crucial aspects of human relationships. In this way, Confucius's choice can be interpreted as both a personal tribute to Yan Yuan and a broader lesson in the importance of ritual in nurturing communal bonds and values.

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  • 2022级2班黄旭 1天前

    Confucius' rufusal should be interpreted as a reflection of his deep-seated belief in the importance of following the correct path of life and death, rather than a indication of lack of sincerity, which is in line with the principles he taught that adheres to the proper rites and avoid extravagance.

    Confucius and Yan Yuan (Yan Yuan) were deeply in love with each other. Yan Yuan is one of Confucius's most appreciated students, he is a poor, happy, noble character. Yan Yuan died early, Confucius was very sad, issued a "day lost to! Heaven is lost!" This fully reflects Confucius' sorrow for Yan Yuan's death. In ancient times, there was a strict hierarchy in the funeral system. Confucius did not go out of his way to buy Yan Yuan's coffin in accordance with the principles of the ritual system at that time, which did not mean that he did not love his students, but was maintaining a social order and moral norms that he respected. Confucius' love for Yan Yuan was reflected in his high recognition of his virtues and talents, as well as his deep sorrow for his early death.

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  • 6班曹诗雨 1天前

    The question of Confucius's refusal to buy a shell for Yan Yuan's coffin is a complex one, involving both cultural and ethical considerations of the time. To provide a nuanced perspective, we must consider the historical and social context in which Confucius lived.

    Firstly, it's important to understand that Confucius lived in a time when social hierarchies and rituals were strictly observed. The purchase of a shell for a coffin was a significant financial and social gesture, often reserved for individuals of higher status. Yan Yuan, despite being Confucius's favorite student and a person of great virtue, was not of high social standing. Confucius's refusal to buy the shell could be seen as an adherence to the social norms and rituals of the time, rather than a lack of love or respect for Yan Yuan.

    Secondly, Confucius's teachings emphasized the importance of propriety (礼), which included the correct observance of rituals. By not buying the shell, Confucius may have been demonstrating his commitment to these principles, even in the face of personal grief. This does not necessarily indicate a lack of sincerity but rather a strict adherence to the social codes that he himself promoted.

    Thirdly, it's also worth considering the economic realities of the time. Confucius and his disciples were not wealthy, and the purchase of a shell would have been a significant financial burden. Confucius's refusal could be seen as a practical decision, reflecting the economic constraints of his situation.

    In conclusion, Confucius's refusal to buy a shell for Yan Yuan's coffin does not necessarily demonstrate a lack of sincerity or love for his student. Instead, it can be interpreted as a complex interplay of adherence to social norms, economic practicality, and the principles of propriety that Confucius himself espoused. It is a reminder that the actions of historical figures must be understood within the context of their times and the values they held dear.

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  • 6班胡洋 1天前

    Confucius's refusal to pay for the shell can be seen as a demonstration of his belief in the importance of moral integrity over material displays. His love for Yan Yuan was sincere, but he valued simplicity and propriety in life and death. This decision aligns with Confucian teachings, emphasizing virtue over outward appearances. He likely viewed extravagant funeral rites as unnecessary and not reflective of true respect.

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  • 4班石雪 1天前

    Confucius's decision was based on his own life philosophy and principles. He believed that simplicity and frugality were virtues, and that one should not indulge in extravagance, even in times of grief. He may have seen the request as going against his teachings and values. Moreover, Confucius himself had lost his son, and he did not sell his carriage to buy an expensive coffin for him. Therefore, he could not make an exception for Yan Yuan, even though he deeply grieved for his student's death.

    It is important to note that Confucius's love for his students was not based on material possessions or extravagant gestures. He was a teacher who imparted wisdom and moral values, and his love was expressed through his teachings and the care he showed for his students' intellectual and moral growth. Therefore, his refusal to sell his carriage should not be interpreted as a lack of love or respect for Yan Yuan, but rather as a reflection of his own principles and values.

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  • 7班金妍 1天前

    Confucius' refusal to sell his carriage for a shell for Yan Yuan's coffin does not imply insincerity. He advocated “appropriateness.” An extravagant funeral for Yan Yuan would go against the latter's virtue of thrift. Confucius' love was profound and far-sighted. 

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  • Confucius stated several times that Yan Hui was the most studious and virtuous of his disciples. The death of Yan Hui simply made Confucius not want to live. But in the midst of grief, we do not lose the system of ceremony. Confucius insisted on the principle of ritual all his life without the slightest slackening. So when Yan Lu, the father of Yan Hui, asked Confucius to use the Confucius car as the outer coffin of Yan Hui Yi, Confucius said: The talented Yan Hui and the untalented Kong carp are sons to you and me. When the carp died, it had a coffin but no coffin. The unspoken meaning is that Yan Hui should not have a coffin. Even if Confucius and Yan Hui have more than the general friendship between teachers and students, when it is time to observe the etiquette and rules, they can also distinguish. Especially in the observance of rites, ceremonies, and rules, do not mix personal emotions, and behind a concession may be a complete failure of their own principles. On the other hand, it is necessary to consider for Yan Hui that such a strict person, when he was born, "a basket of food and a spoon of drink and live in a shabby alley", should he carry a "disrespectful" reputation after death because of an "outer coffin"?

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