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Sharing your ideas of Confucius's choice on Yan Yuan's funeral.

By 张婷 老师 5天前 2178次浏览

Question: How do you comment on Confucius’s refusal to pay for buying a shell for Yan Yuan’s coffin? Does it show Confucius's lack of sincerity in his "love" toward his so-called "favorite" student?

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  • 9班刘艳茹 4天前

    I think Confucius's action isn't heartless. I agree with Confucius that Yan Hui's funeral should not be too lavish in order to express grief of friends and family.

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  • 17班陈宫仿 4天前

    Confucius's refusal to pay for the shell does not necessarily indicate insincerity or lack of love for Yan Yuan; instead, it reflects his commitment to philosophical ideals and serves as a reminder that true expressions of care often transcend material considerations. It highlights the importance of aligning one's actions with core values—an essential tenet in Confucian thought.

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  • 11李承汐妍 4天前

    Confucius’s refusal to pay for a shell to be used for Yan Yuan's coffin is often interpreted as a reflection of his philosophical beliefs rather than a lack of sincerity or love for his student. In Confucian thought, the concepts of virtue, propriety, and moral integrity are paramount. By refusing to spend money on the ornate shell, Confucius may have been emphasizing the importance of simplicity and the idea that true respect for the deceased lies in moral values rather than extravagant displays.

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  • 8班胡丽婷 4天前

    Yan Yuan was a proud disciple of Confucius, and his death was undoubtedly a huge blow to Confucius. At Yan Yuan's funeral, Confucius' choice may be influenced by personal emotions, but he also needs to take into account social norms and etiquette.Confucius' choice at Yan Yuan's funeral may be the result of a comprehensive consideration of personal emotions, social norms, educational significance and personal responsibility. His behaviour not only reflects his respect and nostalgia for Yan Yuan, but also reflects his attention to etiquette and social order.

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  • 9班邢红云 4天前

    Confucius opposed his students' elaborate burial arrangements for Yan Yuan. Firstly, it was because Yan Yuan's family was not wealthy, and funerals should be carried out within one's means. Elaborate burials went against the frugality advocated by the rites. Secondly, Confucius regarded Yan Hui as his own son. When he arranged the funeral for his own son Kong Li, he also kept everything simple. Therefore, for Yan Hui, he hoped to treat him equally. This reflects Confucius' adherence to the ritual system. 

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  • 19班张英泽 4天前

    Confucius' rufusal should be interpreted as a reflection of his deep-seated belief in the importance of following the correct path of life and death, rather than a indication of lack of sincerity, which is in line with the principles he taught that adheres to the proper rites and avoid extravagance.

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  • 万诗语202217 4天前

    Confucius' refusal to pay for Yan Yuan's coffin by buying shells (actually refusing to sell his car to buy a coffin for Yan Yuan) should not be interpreted simply as a lack of love for Yan Yuan, but should be analyzed in the light of the context of the time and Confucius' ideology:

    1. The embodiment of adherence to propriety:

    - At the time of Confucius, etiquette was the cornerstone of social order.Confucius was once a great doctor, and according to the rules of etiquette, a great doctor must use a car to go out, so Confucius thought that he could not sell his car to buy a coffin for Yan Yuan.He believed that everything should be in line with the rituals before it can be in line with the feelings, and he could not violate the rituals because of his personal feelings.Even if Confucius and Yan Yuan were as close as father and son, he could not lose his principles.Confucius regarded Yan Hui as his son, and he organized the funeral for his own son, Kong Li, in a simple manner. Therefore, he also wished to treat Yan Hui in the same way and bury him in a way that suited his status.

    2. True respect for Yan Yuan:

    - Confucius loved and appreciated Yan Yuan from the bottom of his heart.Yan Yuan was Confucius' favorite disciple, and Confucius praised him, "He is a virtuous man, Hui, who drinks from a cup of rice and a dipper of water!A round basket of food, a dipper of water, in the ugly alley, people can't bear to worry, but the return also doesn't change its joy", which shows that Yan Yuan's moral character and good learning spirit were well recognized by Confucius.Confucius knew that Yen Yuan was frugal, and that a generous burial was not what Yen Yuan wanted.Therefore, Confucius refused to give Yan Yuan a generous burial because he respected Yan Yuan's character and wishes, and did not want to go against his usual style after his death.

    3. An open-minded attitude toward life and death:

    - Confucius had his own views and attitudes towards life and death. He advocated "not daring not to be reluctant in mourning", i.e., mourning should be done in accordance with the rituals, but not overly pursuing the form.He believed that a generous burial could not bring the dead back to life, and that what was more important was the heartfelt sorrow of the living for the deceased.Although Confucius was deeply saddened by Yan Yuan's death, he was not overwhelmed by grief and still stood by his philosophy.

    In short, Confucius' refusal to pay for Yan Yuan's coffin by buying shells (selling his car to buy an outer coffin) was not due to a lack of love for Yan Yuan, but was based on his adherence to propriety, his respect for Yan Yuan, and his open-minded view of life and death.This act embodies Confucius' state of mind and moral code, and also sets an example for future generations of the proper treatment of life, death, and burial.

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  • 22级11班李婷 4天前

    Confucius's decision not to pay for a shell for Yan Yuan's coffin is a complex issue that requires understanding the context and values of the time. According to the Analects, when Yan Yuan, one of Confucius's most beloved disciples, died, some of Confucius's other students suggested that they should buy a shell (a type of ornament) for Yan Yuan's coffin as a sign of respect. However, Confucius refused, stating that Yan Yuan was a man of virtue and that such an expense would be inappropriate.

        While Confucius was deeply grieved by Yan Yuan's death, he also valued rational thinking and adherence to principles. His refusal could be seen as a way to maintain a balance between personal emotion and the broader ethical framework he upheld.

         As a teacher and role model, Confucius may have wanted to set an example for his students and society at large, showing that true respect and love are not measured by material possessions but by the sincerity of one's actions and adherence to moral principles.

      It is important to note that Confucius's refusal does not necessarily indicate a lack of sincerity in his affection for Yan Yuan. On the contrary, the depth of his grief over Yan Yuan's death, as recorded in the Analects, suggests a profound emotional connection. Confucius's actions were guided by his deep commitment to his philosophical and ethical beliefs, which sometimes required him to make difficult decisions that might not be immediately understood by others.

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  • 202208邓燕 4天前

    In Confucian thought, propriety (li) was of great importance. For Yan Yuan's funeral, Confucius wanted to follow the appropriate rituals. However, Yan Yuan was in a relatively humble social position, and according to the general social norms at that time, there were certain limitations on the scale and form of his funeral. Confucius' choice on Yan Yuan's funeral rituals was also an expression of his personal grief. 

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  • 8班唐利 4天前

    Confucius's refusal doesn't mean lack of love. He emphasized rituals, treated students equally as his son's case shows, and his act was to make Yan Yuan's funeral fit the system, which was actually a proper way to show respect and love.

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  • 9班唐郡遥 4天前

    Despite Confucius's profound grief over the passing of Yan Yuan, he refrained from selling his carriage to buy a luxurious coffin for Yan Yuan's funeral, adhering steadfastly to the principles of ritual. He believed that mourning should be rooted in sincere grief and heartfelt tribute, rather than excessively pursuing formal luxury. Yan Yuan had lived a modest and austere life, always conforming to the rituals, and thus, after his death, his funeral should also uphold this frugal tradition. However, the idea of a grand burial for Yan Yuan, involving the sale of carriages and coffins, contravened Confucius's conception of ritual.

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  • 16刘仁芯 4天前

    Confucius's attitude towards Yan Yuan's funeral reflects his insistence on etiquette, his restraint on personal feelings and his helplessness towards disciple's behavior. Also,  Confucius knew very well that Yan Yuan was poor and simple before his life and followed the etiquette. Therefore, he believed that the burial was against Yan Yuan's original heart. Confucius advocated to respect Yan Yuan's will and let it be buried in a simple way.

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  • 19石秀文 4天前

    Actually, in Confucius' mind, YanYuan is still the person and student he loves most. His seemingly indifference to YanYuan's funernal just reflects his upholding and unwavering conviction in rituals, properiety and morality. A man of virtue should not seek for materlized values or affluent life in money, but should be contented with what he has throughout his whole life. What's more, Confucius advocates for rituals in Zhou in a patriarch system so making Yanyuan' s funernal so grand and solemn is against the concept of strict obedience of Li.

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  • 8班何旭梅 4天前

    Confucius's refusal to pay for the outer shell of Yan Yuan's coffin reflects his commitment to principles rather than a lack of sincerity in his affection for his student.First, his decision shows adherence to rituals. Confucius believed in maintaining propriety and fulfilling his social role, refusing to sell his carriage to preserve the dignity of his position.Second, it demonstrates teaching by example. His action served as a lesson on frugality and avoiding extravagant funerals, aligning with his ethical teachings.Finally, it reveals the depth of his affection. Confucius’s love for Yan Yuan was primarily intellectual and moral, not expressed through material support.In summary, his decision highlights his dedication to principles and rationality as a teacher, rather than emotional indifference toward his favorite student.

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  • 李子洲 4天前

    Confucius's choice for Yan Yuan's funeral was a delicate balance of personal grief and Confucian propriety. Despite Yan Yuan's low status, Confucius, as a mentor, showed exceptional respect, highlighting the value of individual worth over social hierarchy. His actions underscored the significance of rites in expressing respect for the deceased.

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  • 9班汪涵 4天前

    This view is completely wrong. Confucius had a deep and sincere relationship with his students.Confucius' actions were often based on his strict adherence to the principles of rites and ethics. His love and teachings for his students were multifaceted and had far - reaching implications that were manifested through the framework of his moral and ethical concepts.

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  • 11班戴卓均 4天前

    Confucius did so because he had to travel by car when he became a doctor. Secondly, Yan Yuan's disciples paid special attention to etiquette, and Confucius would not let him violate etiquette after his death.Therefore, there is no lack of sincerity but full of consideration.

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  • 9班王丹丹 4天前

    This view is a misunderstanding of Confucius. Confucius' refusal to sell his carriage to buy a shell for Yan Yuan's coffin does not show a lack of sincerity in his "love" for Yan Yuan. On the contrary, it reflects Confucius' respect for the rites and his principles.

    First of all, in ancient China, funeral rites were an important part of traditional culture, and there were specific regulations and hierarchies. As a former official of the rank of a大夫 (a high official in ancient times), Confucius was obligated to follow certain etiquette. According to the rites, a person of his status should travel by carriage. If he sold his carriage and walked on foot, it would be a violation of the rites. Confucius was a person who emphasized propriety and righteousness, and he could not easily break these established rules and traditions, even for his beloved disciple Yan Yuan.

    Secondly, Confucius had a deep affection for Yan Yuan. When Yan Yuan passed away, Confucius was extremely grief-stricken and cried bitterly. His love for Yan Yuan was sincere and profound. However, he believed that love and respect for a person should also be expressed within the framework of propriety. He could not sacrifice the principles of the rites for the sake of fulfilling a certain request, which was his way of maintaining respect for Yan Yuan in another sense.

    In conclusion, we should view this issue from the perspective of Confucius' respect for the rites and his deep affection for his disciples, rather than simply misinterpreting it as a lack of sincerity.

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  • 10班沈放 4天前

    Confucius' decision regarding Yan Yuan's funeral reflects his flexible understanding of ritual and his deep compassion. While he strongly advocated for the observance of rites, he acknowledged the poverty of Yan Yuan's family and accepted a modest funeral arrangement. This demonstrates that Confucius prioritized the essence of rituals—humanity and empathy—over rigid adherence, emphasizing the balance between moral propriety and the realities of life.

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  • 10班王思琪 4天前

    Each person's funeral should befit his or her identity and status. Although Yan Yuan was talented, he did not hold such an official position as a doctor, so he could not be mourned by the funeral standards of scholar-officials. Confucius mentioned that the carp also had a coffin and no coffin when he died, which indicates that he believed that according to the ritual system, Yan Yuan should not have a higher funeral regulation than the carp.

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  • 19王睿源 4天前

    This does not necessarily indicate a lack of sincerity or love for Yan Yuan. Instead, it can be seen as an adherence to the social norms and rites of the time. Actually, Confucius himself was deeply grieved by Yan Yuan's death, which is evident in other passages of the Analects where he laments the loss of such a promising student.

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  • 08朱倩倩 4天前

    At Yan Hui's funeral, Confucius objected to the heavy burial of Yan Hui, arguing that it was not in line with the quality of Yan Hui's caring for the poor and the actual financial resources at home. The way Confucius handled Yan Hui's funeral not only reflected his deep feelings and evaluation of Yan Hui, but also showed his attitude and principles towards funeral etiquette.

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  • 19刘嘉豪 4天前

    This view is a misinterpretation of Confucius.

    Confucius was a great educator and thinker in Chinese history. His relationship with his students was based on deep teachings, moral guidance, and sincere affection. In the case of Yan Yuan's coffin, Confucius' actions should be understood in the context of the times and his philosophical beliefs.

    In ancient society, there were certain etiquettes and norms. Confucius' actions might be related to following the proper way of handling things according to the prevalent moral and ethical concepts at that time. His love for Yan Yuan was manifested in many aspects, such as his high - level teachings, his care for Yan Yuan's growth in knowledge and morality.

    For example, Confucius often praised Yan Yuan for his eagerness to learn and his noble moral character. Yan Yuan was also deeply influenced by Confucius' teachings and was one of his most outstanding students. Confucius' overall attitude towards his students was to cultivate them into people with both ability and moral integrity, and his relationship with them was a complex and profound one that cannot be simply judged by a single incident from a modern - day economic perspective.

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  • 16班石晓曼 4天前

    The death of Yan Hui was a tremendous spiritual blow to Confucius,who felt extremely grieved by his passing.Despite this,he still adhered to the Confucian rituals and opposed the extravagant burial of Yan Hui.Even in the face of extreme sorrow,he believed in exercising restraint and not acting impulsively without regard for social norms.

    As Confucius'favored disciple,who had received the true teachings of Confucius,Yan Hui would also have valued Confucius'philosophy and insisted on adhering to the rites.It is likely that he would have wanted Confucius to handle his funeral affairs according to the rites in such moments.

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  • 10班方晓江 4天前

    In general, Confucius' attitude towards the funeral of Yan Yuan reflects the contradiction and dilemma between his adherence to the rites and his special affection for Yan Yuan. Confucius attached great importance to the rites. However, when facing the deep teacher-student relationship with Yan Yuan, he had to deal with the actions of his students that went against his will out of their respect for Yan Yuan.

     

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  • 苏成渝 4天前

    Confucius’s refusal to buy a shell for Yan Yuan’s coffin reflects his adherence to simplicity and moderation in rituals, aligning with his belief in propriety rather than extravagance. It does not indicate a lack of sincerity but underscores his commitment to principle over material display.

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  • 16班程佳丽 4天前

    Confucius was deeply committed to the importance of rituals, particularly in maintaining social order and expressing respect for the deceased. In Confucian thought, rituals serve as a means of connecting the living with the ancestors, reinforcing social hierarchies, and fostering a sense of community and shared values. Funerals, in particular, are seen as a crucial opportunity to honor the deceased and ensure their proper place in the afterlife.

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  • 10班颜琳娜 4天前

    Confucius's refusal to buy a shell for Yan Yuan’s coffin reflects his principles of simplicity and frugality. He believed in modesty over material displays, valuing actions and moral integrity more. This act demonstrated his respect for Yan Yuan’s values and Confucian teachings. Rather than showing a lack of sincerity, it underscored Confucius's commitment to their shared ideals.

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  • 16康锦伟 4天前

    This statement is completely wrong. Confucius and Yan Yuan (Yan Yuan) were deeply in love with each other. Yan Yuan is one of Confucius's most appreciated students, he is a poor, happy, noble character. Yan Yuan died early, Confucius was very sad, issued a "day lost to! Heaven is lost!" This fully reflects Confucius' sorrow for Yan Yuan's death. In ancient times, there was a strict hierarchy in the funeral system. Confucius did not go out of his way to buy Yan Yuan's coffin in accordance with the principles of the ritual system at that time, which did not mean that he did not love his students, but was maintaining a social order and moral norms that he respected. Confucius' love for Yan Yuan was reflected in his high recognition of his virtues and talents, as well as his deep sorrow for his early death.

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  • 11班徐誉珊 4天前

    When Yan Yuan's father, Yan Lu, requested Confucius to sell his carriage to buy an outer coffin for Yan Yuan, Confucius refused. This indicates that Confucius was committed to maintaining the rituals and social hierarchy, even in the face of personal loss. He did not want to compromise his status as a former government official by walking instead of riding in a carriage.

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