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Sharing your ideas of Confucius's choice on Yan Yuan's funeral.

By 张婷 老师 5天前 2175次浏览

Question: How do you comment on Confucius’s refusal to pay for buying a shell for Yan Yuan’s coffin? Does it show Confucius's lack of sincerity in his "love" toward his so-called "favorite" student?

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  • 18班付子怡 4天前

    Confucius's refusal to pay for an expensive shell for Yan Yuan's coffin does not indicate a lack of sincerity in his affection. Instead, it reflects Confucius's emphasis on ritual propriety and the virtue of frugality. He believed in adhering to ethical principles and avoiding unnecessary extravagance, even in mourning. This decision demonstrates his commitment to moral values over material displays of grief.

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  • 16班陈圆 4天前

    题目中提到的“颜渊之丧”是指颜回(颜渊)的去世,颜回是孔子*得意的门生之一,以他的智慧和德行著称。《论语》中记载了孔子对颜渊之死的反应,显示了他与学生之间的深厚感情。孔子对颜渊之丧的态度体现了他的人文关怀和对弟子的深厚感情。在《论语·先进》篇中,孔子听说颜渊去世后说:“噫!天丧予!天丧予!”表达了极度的悲痛和失落感。颜渊的去世对孔子来说是一个巨大的打击,因为颜渊不仅是他的学生,也是他理想人格的一个典范。孔子曾称赞颜渊为“贤哉回也!一箪食,一瓢饮,在陋巷,人不堪其忧,回也不改其乐。贤哉回也!”孔子的行为也反映了儒家重视情感表达的一面。尽管儒家传统强调理性与克制,但孔子在面对失去亲密弟子时的情感流露表明了人与人之间真实情感的重要性。颜渊之死也引发了关于命运和道德价值的思考。在《论语·先进》篇中,孔子后来提到:“回也其庶乎?屡空。赐不受命而货殖焉,亿则屡中。”这表明即使像颜渊这样接近理想人格的人也会面临生活的困难和挑战。孔子对颜渊之丧的反应展示了他作为教育者与学生之间深厚的情感联系以及他对理想人格典范失去的悲痛。这一事件不仅揭示了儒家思想中情感表达的一面,还引发了关于命运、道德价值以及个人成就与挑战之间关系的深刻反思。

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  • 17班陈杰岱 4天前

    I don't think Confucius' behavior lacked love. Because his persistence is to adhere to his inner principles and order. Confucius' expression of love for Yan Yuan can be reflected in other ways, not necessarily through buying a shel.

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  • 17班彭爱心 4天前

    Confucius believed that excessively luxurious funerals did not conform to the Confucian principle of frugality, and at the same time, considering Yan Yuan's family's financial situation, he did not want to increase the burden on his parents. Confucius' approach not only expresses deep affection and friendship towards his disciples, but also adheres to the ethical norms of Confucianism's "filial piety, brotherly love, loyalty, trustworthiness, propriety, righteousness, integrity, and shame", demonstrating a "balanced approach of reason and reason" in handling affairs.

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  • 11班彭雨萱 4天前

    This does not mean that Confucius was heartless. Because Yan Yuan's family was very poor, a generous burial was against the etiquette. Confucius was just very insistent on propriety. He kept a clear distinction between personal feelings and social rituals.

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  • 09卢婷 4天前

    Confucius held Yan Yuan in high regard. His choice of funeral rituals was a way to express his respect for Yan Yuan. From a Confucian perspective, propriety (li) was very important. The proper funeral rituals were not only a form of sending off the deceased but also a manifestation of moral and ethical values.For Confucius, Yan Yuan was an exemplary student who embodied many of the virtues that Confucius advocated. By choosing certain funeral rituals for Yan Yuan, Confucius was also making a statement about the importance of these virtues and how they should be honored even in death.

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  • 2022级11班殷林 4天前

    Confucius's refusal was due to his adherence to rites. In Zhou's death rites, Yan Yuan as a commoner wasn't eligible for a certain coffin shell. Confucius loved Yan Yuan deeply, and his stance here was out of respect for the social order and moral norms that rites represented, not a lack of love.

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  • 2022级11班周俊哲 4天前

    Confucius's refusal to pay for the shell for Yan Yuan's coffin does not indicate a lack of sincerity in his affection for his student. Rather, it demonstrates his adherence to moral principles and his consistent approach to life, which emphasizes integrity and fairness. By not accepting special treatment or favors, even in the case of his beloved disciple, Confucius upholds the values he teaches and promotes.

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  • 18谭世宏 4天前

    Confucius showed great sorrow after Yan Yuan's death. According to the Analects, when Yan Yuan died, Confucius said, "Alas! Heaven is lost! Heaven is lost!" This indicates that Confucius was deeply saddened by Yan Yuan's death, believing that it was God's will to take him away. In addition, Confucius was deeply saddened by Yan Yuan's death, and his disciples reminded him not to grieve too much. Confucius said that he would not grieve for a person like Yan Yuan, and who else would he grieve for

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  • 11张苒苒 4天前

    Confucius' attitude was not callous, but rather reflected the Confucian emphasis on the importance of rituals. He believed that personal emotions should not transcend social rituals, even for the funeral of one's closest relative. A person's behavior choices are formed based on their beliefs and ideas, and it is difficult for us to judge different behaviors beyond the limitations of time and space and our own ideas. Confucius' approach in this case reflects a respect and adherence to rituals in a specific era, as well as a deep affection and care for Yan Yuan.

     

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  • 18刘敬 4天前

    He obeys his "Li" too much, but this also reflects that he is a firm and principled person, who respects and adheres to his morality, setting himself an example, and does not violate morality because of his own feeling

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  • 19班盛文星 4天前

    Yan Yuan, who lived on a simple diet of one basket of rice and one gourd of water, and remained joyful despite living in poverty and humble surroundings, was a good example of accepting poverty with equanimity and delighting in the Way. Therefore, funerals should be conducted according to his deeds, and elaborate burial rites would violate his character.

    Moreover, Confucius treated Yan Hui as if he were his own son. When it came to the funeral arrangements for his own son Kong Kui, they were kept simple, and he wished to treat Yan Hui in the same manner without preference.

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  • 16康锦伟 4天前

    This statement is completely wrong. Confucius and Yan Yuan (Yan Yuan) were deeply in love with each other. Yan Yuan is one of Confucius's most appreciated students, he is a poor, happy, noble character. Yan Yuan died early, Confucius was very sad, issued a "day lost to! Heaven is lost!" This fully reflects Confucius' sorrow for Yan Yuan's death. In ancient times, there was a strict hierarchy in the funeral system. Confucius did not go out of his way to buy Yan Yuan's coffin in accordance with the principles of the ritual system at that time, which did not mean that he did not love his students, but was maintaining a social order and moral norms that he respected. Confucius' love for Yan Yuan was reflected in his high recognition of his virtues and talents, as well as his deep sorrow for his early death.

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  • 8班冯媛 4天前

    In the face of the conflict between emotion and reason, Confucius chose reason. Although he felt extremely sad for Yan Yuan's death, he believed that he should not violate the etiquette because of his personal feelings. This choice not only embodies the rational spirit of Confucius, but also shows his attitude of self-denial.

     

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  • 18班冉智慧 4天前

    Confucius' refusal to purchase a coffin for Yan Yuan does not indicate that his love for this so-called 'favorite' student was not sincere enough. In fact, this behavior reflects more of Confucius' loyalty and adherence to traditional ritual systems. In ancient China, ritual systems had clear regulations for behavior at all levels of society, including funerals. Confucius may have believed that Yan Yuan's social status and family conditions did not meet the requirements of ritual systems for using coffins, so he chose not to violate these norms. This behavior reflects Confucius' respect for ritual and the importance of educating students to follow social morality and tradition. Confucius' love is based on moral principles and ritual systems, rather than simply personal emotions.

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  • 10孙照熙 4天前

      Confucius held Yan Yuan in extremely high regard. When it came to Yan Yuan's funeral, his choice was likely influenced by multiple factors.

      On one hand, Confucius deeply lamented Yan Yuan's premature death. Yan Yuan was one of his most outstanding disciples, known for his virtue and eagerness to learn. Confucius might have desired a solemn and respectful funeral to express his grief and to honor Yan Yuan's character and contributions.

      On the other hand, Confucius also adhered to certain traditional rituals and propriety. He would have considered what was appropriate according to the social norms and moral principles of that time. It wasn't about extravagance but rather about ensuring that the funeral was carried out in a way that was in line with the dignity and status that Yan Yuan deserved in his eyes.

      Overall, Confucius's choice regarding Yan Yuan's funeral was a combination of his personal emotions towards his beloved disciple and his commitment to upholding the right way of doing things in accordance with traditional values.

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  • 19班王晶 4天前

    This view is a misunderstanding. Confucius' refusal didn't mean lack of sincerity in loving Yan Yuan. It reflected his adherence to rites. In ancient funeral customs, Yan Yuan as a civilian wasn't eligible for an outer coffin shell. Confucius, advocating rites, wouldn't break the rules despite his deep affection. He deeply mourned Yan Yuan, and his criticism of disciples' improper burial also showed his love. His refusal was about principle based on respecting rites, not a lack of love.

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  • 8班刘晓晴 4天前

    Confucius' behavior at Yan Yuan's funeral reflects his deep affection for Yan Yuan as well as his adherence to and weighing of propriety.

    1. Confucius was extremely grieved over Yan Yuan's early death. Yan Yuan was Confucius' most accomplished disciple, and Confucius regarded him as an important candidate to inherit his thoughts. His sorrow was a sincere expression of the deep master-disciple bond.

    2. In terms of propriety, Confucius followed the traditional funeral rites. Meanwhile, he also made some adaptations. Yan Lu, Yan Yuan's father, asked Confucius to sell his carriage to purchase an outer coffin for Yan Yuan, but Confucius refused. If he had agreed to sell the carriage for this purpose, it might seem like a gesture of deep friendship and affection for his beloved disciple. However, from the perspective of propriety, it would have been an act of overstepping one's bounds. Because the outer coffin was a symbol of social status at that time, casually adding funeral items did not conform to Yan Yuan's status and the stipulations of propriety. This shows that although Confucius suffered great pain in his emotions, he still tried to maintain the order and principles of propriety, hoping to strike a balance between emotion and propriety.

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  • 10班沈启华 4天前

    Confucius was a staunch advocate for following the established rites and customs of the Zhou dynasty. When Yan Yuan, one of his most beloved disciples, died, Confucius was faced with a dilemma between his personal feelings and the social norms. Despite his deep sorrow, he opposed a lavish funeral for Yan Yuan, stating that it would not be proper  . This decision was rooted in his belief that funerals should be conducted according to one's means and in line with the simplicity that Yan Yuan himself embodied during his life.Confucius's choice to uphold propriety over personal feelings demonstrates his commitment to the social order and the importance he placed on adhering to the rites, even in the face of personal loss . He believed that personal emotions should not override the established social norms and rituals.

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  • 9班赵梦妮 4天前

    Confucius' attitude towards Yan Yuan's funeral demonstrated his respect for rituals, arranging the corresponding funeral specifications according to the identity and status of the deceased.

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  • 程诗纤 4天前

    Confucius’s refusal to pay for Yan Yuan’s coffin does not indicate a lack of genuine affection toward his favorite student. Instead, it reflects his adherence to the principles of “propriety” (li) and his unique educational philosophy. While this choice may lead to emotional misunderstanding, on a deeper level, it demonstrates his strong emphasis on rational principles and his distinctive understanding of the teacher-student relationship. This act inspires us to reconsider the relationship between love and responsibility, highlighting the value of spiritual legacy over material support in education.

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  • 11蒋欣雨 4天前

    Confucius' behavior at Yan Yuan's funeral reflects his deep emotional and rational balance, as well as his respect for ritual. He knew that the funeral should be based on sincere mourning, and should not pursue too much formal solemnity. Therefore, he advocated that Yan Yuan's funeral should be done according to its ability and should not be buried heavily, which is not only the respect for Yan Yuan's thrifty conduct, but also the adherence to the ritual system.
    At the same time, Confucius believed that Yan Yuan's family was poor, and he had upheld the principle of frugality during his lifetime. Therefore, the excessive pursuit of pomp and form in the funeral went against Yan Yuan's will. Confucius respected the will and conduct of the deceased and believed that condolences and respect for the deceased should be expressed in a sincere and simple way. This idea of respecting the deceased and taking the deceased as the foundation reflects Confucius' profound humanistic care.

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  • 10班臧颜 4天前

     I think Confucius' attitude illustrates his insistence on ritual and his opposition to funerals. He believes that funerals should be conducted according to one's ability, taking into account one's financial resources, status, and so on

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  • 19班张珣 4天前

    Confucius's love for his students was profound and genuine. He dedicated his life to teaching and mentoring them, and his relationship with Yan Hui was particularly close. However, this does not mean that he would violate his principles or social norms to fulfill a personal request, even if it came from his favorite student's family.

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  • 8班庄远之 4天前

    This decision does not necessarily reflect a lack of sincerity in Confucius's affection for Yan Yuan. On the contrary, Confucius was deeply affected by Yan Yuan's death and expressed great sorrow over it. However, Confucian emphasize the importance of maintaining social norms and rituals, which were seen as essential for the harmonious functioning of society. For Confucius, the proper observance of ritual (li) was important, and this included adhering to the appropriate standards of behavior expected of someone in his position. By refusing to sell his carriage, Confucius was upholding the principle that personal feelings, even those as strong as his love for Yan Yuan, should not override the rules and responsibilities that come with one's role in society.

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  • 08陈冠宇 4天前

    Confucius attached great importance to the rites of Zhou, and even in the face of the death of his most beloved disciple Yan Yuan, he continued to adhere to the rites. According to the Analects of Confucius, when Yan Yuan died, Confucius' disciples wanted to give him a lavish funeral, but Confucius objected, saying it was not in accordance with etiquette. Confucius believed that Yan Yuan's family was poor, and the funeral should be arranged according to the actual situation of the family, and the luxurious funeral went against the principle of frugality

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  • 10班周由珍 4天前

    Confucius wanted regarded Yan Yuan as his own son, so he wanted to treat him as he would treat his own son. He expressed his love for Yan Yuan and met the etiquette of that time. So I think that's reasonable.

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  • 8班张露熙 4天前

    This view is completely wrong.

    Confucius had a very deep and sincere affection for his students. In ancient times, there were certain etiquettes and concepts. Confucius' actions were often based on the principles and values of the rites and concepts of that era. His choices were in line with the moral and ethical concepts he advocated, aiming to maintain certain traditional norms and values, not as a so - called sign of "insincerity." His love and teachings for his students were manifested in many other important educational concepts and spiritual inheritances.

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  • 16谢佳娱 4天前

    Confucius refused to purchase seashells for Yan Yuan not because he was unwilling to spend money, but because he believed it was not in line with the etiquette. Confucius once served as an official at the level of a Grand Preceptor. According to the ritual system, Grand Preceptors must have their own carriages and cannot walk, otherwise it would violate the rules of etiquette. Therefore, Confucius was unwilling to sell his car to purchase shells for Yan Yuan in order to maintain the ritual system and avoid violating it.

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  • 11班李佳曼 4天前

    Confucius refused to pay for buying a shell Yan Yuan's coffin, not because he did not love Yan Yuan, but out of consideration for formality and status.Because as an official, he could not give up his chariot and horse on foot. This suggested that Confucius' behavior was based on respect for etiquette and social status.

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