Because it is the time of the collapse of rites and music, and Confucius believes that the most important thing to save society is to restore the ritual system, as a scholar, you must have a car to go out, which is also one of the ritual systems. If you do not have a car and choose to walk, it is not in line with the ritual, so Confucius even when his own son died, he was not willing to sell a car to buy a coffin
Confucius's gatekeeper wanted to bury Yan Hui, but Confucius did not agree. Yan Hui's family was poor, Confucius thought that it should not be a generous burial, which went against the hierarchy at that time, and Yan Hui was frugal all his life, and a generous burial was not in line with his wishes.
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Question: How do you comment on Confucius’s refusal to pay for buying a shell for Yan Yuan’s coffin? Does it show Confucius's lack of sincerity in his "love" toward his so-called "favorite" student?
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In the context of the social background and etiquette norms of that time, Confucius had his own considerations. Confucius highly valued Yan Yuan, who passed away prematurely, and he was deeply saddened, referring to him as his most accomplished disciple. Confucius' refusal to give Yan Yuan a lavish burial may have been based on his adherence to and understanding of etiquette. Confucius advocated handling funerals in a proper and etiquette-compliant manner, not wishing to overly violate the social norms and etiquette principles of the time. This is not a lack of sincerity; rather, from Confucius' admiration for Yan Yuan's learning and moral character, his grief over Yan Yuan's early death, and other aspects, it can be seen that he had a deep affection for Yan Yuan as his teacher and student. Confucius' actions were more from a macro perspective of culture, etiquette, and morality, with deeper connotations.
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Regarding Confucius' refusal to buy a coffin for Yan Yuan, I believe it was not indifference, but rather Confucius' adherence to ritual norms and emphasis on principle.
1. Ritual constraints. In ancient society, rituals were an important cornerstone for maintaining social stability and hierarchical order. According to ritual norms, social strata below the rank of doctor typically only received a coffin without an outer coffin (guo) upon death. Although Yan Yuan was Confucius' most favored disciple, he did not attain the rank of doctor during his lifetime. Therefore, from the perspective of ritual norms, he should not have been entitled to an outer coffin after his death. As a scholar deeply versed in rituals, Confucius naturally did not wish to violate these norms due to personal emotions.
2. Balancing emotions and rationality. Confucius' deep affection for Yan Yuan is unquestionable. The death of Yan Yuan devastated Confucius, but he did not lose his senses as a result. Instead, he continued to adhere to ritual norms and principles. This balance between emotions and rationality is a manifestation of Confucius' personality charm. He was unwilling to violate ritual norms due to personal emotions, nor to suppress his emotions due to ritual norms. In handling the aftermath of Yan Yuan's death, he managed to express his mourning for Yan Yuan while adhering to ritual norms and principles. -
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Regarding Confucius's refusal to sell his carriage to buy a outer coffin (guo) for Yan Yuan's coffin, we cannot simply interpret it as a lack of sincerity or affection towards his so-called "favorite" student. In fact, this act is rooted in deeper cultural and moral considerations.
Firstly, it's important to understand the historical context in which Confucius lived. In Confucius's time, the ritual system was a crucial cornerstone of society, and people's behaviors and conduct were strictly governed by these rituals. As the founder of the Confucian school, Confucius had a profound understanding and strict adherence to the ritual system. Therefore, when Yan Lu, Yan Yuan's father, requested Confucius to sell his carriage to buy a guo for Yan Yuan, Confucius refused. His refusal was not out of indifference or heartlessness but based on his adherence to the ritual system.
Furthermore, from a deeper perspective, Confucius's refusal also embodies his thought of "loving people." He deeply understands the preciousness of life and the dignity of personality, and he opposes any form of waste and extravagance. In his view, buying a guo for Yan Yuan, although seemingly a sign of respect and remembrance, would actually be an unnecessary waste. This waste not only violates the spirit of the ritual system but also Contradicts Confucius's respect and cherishing of life.
In summary, Confucius's refusal to buy a guo for Yan Yuan does not indicate a lack of sincerity or affection towards him. On the contrary, this act demonstrates his commitment to the ritual system, respect for life, and cherishing of personality. He uses his own actions to interpret the true meaning of "loving people," which is respecting every life, cherishing every personality, and adhering to every principle. Therefore, we should understand Confucius's actions and thoughts from a broader perspective, rather than simply attributing them to a lack of sincerity or affection.
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In the Analects of Confucius, Confucius once said: "Unjust and rich and valuable, to me like a floating cloud." This expression expresses Confucius' insistence on morality and justice, and his belief that wealth and status should not be based on injustice. Therefore, when someone offered to buy shells with money, Confucius might have considered it an injustice and refused to participate.
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Despite being deeply grief-stricken, Confucius still adhered to the rules of ritual. Yan Yuan's family was relatively poor, and according to the "rites," he should not have been given a lavish funeral. Yan Yuan's family was so poor that they could barely afford a coffin, and therefore Confucius believed that he should not be given a lavish burial. This reflects Confucius' respect for and adherence to ritual norms.However, his disciples did not follow Confucius' wishes and proceeded with a grand burial for Yan Yuan. Upon learning of this, although Confucius felt guilty, he did not reprimand his disciples for it. Instead, he expressed that it was their decision, not his intention. This demonstrates Confucius' unwavering commitment to the principles of ritual even in the midst of his sorrow.
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Confucius believed that funeral should be done according to the status of individuals in the society, financial condition and family circumstances and other actual circumstances. Funeral issues, should follow the principle of thrift instead of extravagance and waste. This reflects Confucius‘ strict adherence to the ritual system and his love for his disciples. He hoped that the funeral would be arranged according to Li, rather than giving special treatment because Yan Yuan was his favorite student. This practice not only maintains the dignity of the ritual system, but also reflects Confucius's equal treatment of all his disciples.
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Confucius's refusal to sell his carriage to buy an outer coffin (shell) for his favorite student Yan Hui does not necessarily reflect a lack of sincerity in his love or affection towards Yan Hui. Rather, it can be understood through the lens of Confucian ethics and his broader philosophical outlook.
Confucius was a firm believer in the principles of propriety (7L) and ritual. In ancient China, the use of coffins and outer coffins was governed by strict social and economic considerations. It was not uncommon for people of limited means to be buried in simple coffins without an outer coffin. By refusing to sell his carriage, Confucius may have been adhering to the principle that one should not exceed their social standing or economic means in matters of burial.
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The fact that Confucius refused to buy a coffin shell for Yan Yuan does not indicate a lack of sincerity in his love for his student. Rather, it was based on his respect for ritual norms and consideration of reality. Confucius was well aware that excessive pursuit of material luxury was not in line with ritual norms, nor with Yan Yuan's lifelong moral pursuit. Additionally, he took into account the scarcity of material resources at that time, aiming to avoid placing a burden on the family. Therefore, this action reflects Confucius's deep and responsible love for Yan Yuan.
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Confucius refused to pay for the expensive shell for Yan Yuan's coffin to maintain moderation and fairness. He believed that true love and respect are shown through sincerity and adherence to principles, not through lavish spending. This decision reflects his values of practicality and consistency, ensuring he did not set a precedent he couldn't follow for others. This response from Confucius reflects several key aspects of his philosophy:Practicality and Moderation，Consistency and Fairness，Moral Integrity.
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This view ia not accurate. What we need to make clear is that Confucius' words and deeds at Yan Yuan's funeral are mainly based on his deep feelings for Yan Yuan and his insistence on the etiquette system. When the students suggested that Yan Yuan be buried with rich gifts, Confucius objected, not out of meanness or indifference, but because he thought it was not in accordance with the etiquette system, nor was it in accordance with Yan Yuan's attitude and values before his death.
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I think Confucius's approach is indeed very rational, in line with the principle of "etiquette" that Confucius has always pursued, and it is the true idea of Confucius. Although his approach may seem insensitive, the choice may have been more painful for him. It is also his practice of combining knowledge and action that has allowed Confucianism to be passed down to the present day.
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Confucius's refusal to sell his carriage to buy an outer shell for Yan Yuan's coffin reflects his commitment to social norms and personal integrity.His actions were not a measure of his love for Yan Yuan but a reflection of the importance he placed on ritual and propriety.Confucius's love for Yan Yuan is evident in other stories, and his refusal here is more about maintaining the rites and customs of the time. Despite his instructions, the disciples chose to give Yan Yuan a grand funeral, showing their deep respect and love for him. Confucius's final words indicate his disapproval of the funeral's excess, placing the blame on the disciples, which suggests he was not pleased with their decision.
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.Confucius's actions reflect his belief that the value of a person's life cannot be measured by material possessions or wealth. Instead, it is the inner qualities and virtues that truly matter. By refusing to pay for the shell, Confucius demonstrated his commitment to upholding these values and his deep love and respect for Yan Yuan.
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Confucius’s refusal to pay for the shell does not necessarily indicate a lack of sincerity in his love for Yan Yuan. Instead, it reveals the tension between his personal affections and his commitment to the moral and ritual standards he championed. Whether this tension reflects strength or weakness depends on one’s perspective: it could be seen as principled adherence to values or as an overly strict application of doctrine in a moment that called for emotional expression.
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Although Confucius was deeply saddened in his heart, he would not overstep the bounds of propriety due to his own emotions. According to the Zhou ritual regulations, the level of funeral should match the identity of the deceased. After the death of a scholar official, there can only be a coffin and a coffin. Yan Yuan did not hold an official position and was not a scholar official, so he should not be buried excessively. On the other hand, Yan Hui had always lived a life of peace and contentment, and according to his usual style, he certainly did not want to be buried with excessive ceremony after death. The disciples of Confucius buried Yan Hui generously, which is understandable in terms of their classmates' emotions, but goes against the ritual system. On the other hand, looking at Confucius' series of performances after Yan Hui's death, we can see his good sense of propriety in doing things. Although he was grief stricken, he did not lose his sanity and refused to go beyond the rules of propriety.
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No. Confucius had a very affectionate and sincere relationship with his students. Confucius was a paragon of upholding moral principles and propriety. His actions were often based on following the ethical and moral norms and concepts of his time.His behavior and decisions usually carried profound educational significance and were in line with his own values and the overall ideological framework of his teachings. He was committed to guiding students through the correct way of thinking and values, and his love for students was manifested in many other important respects such as imparting knowledge, moral guidance and concern for their spiritual growth.
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Confucius' refusal to sell cars and outer coffers mainly reflects his two points of view:
The importance of etiquette: Confucius attached great importance to etiquette and etiquette, and he believed that one's behavior should conform to one's status and status. In ancient times, people of the doctor level had to have a car to go out, which was part of the ritual. Although Confucius, as a doctor of Lu, was no longer a doctor at that time, he still believed that he should maintain this system of etiquette and not violate it because of personal affection.
Frugal attitude to life: Confucius advocated frugality and opposed extravagance and waste. He believes that the funeral should be done according to its ability, mainly to express sadness, rather than external scale. Confucius' own son, Kong Carp, also died without an outer coffin, reflecting his thrifty philosophy.
In addition, there was another reason, although Yan Hui was Confucius's most proud disciple, his status was not enough to use a funeral with a coffin. If the ritual system is destroyed because of Yan Hui's death, it is not only bad for Yan Hui's reputation, but also may affect the reputation of Confucius. sell cars and outer coffers mainly reflects his two points of view:
The importance of etiquette: Confucius attached great importance to etiquette and etiquette, and he believed that one's behavior should conform to one's status and status. In ancient times, people of the doctor level had to have a car to go out, which was part of the ritual. Although Confucius, as a doctor of Lu, was no longer a doctor at that time, he still believed that he should maintain this system of etiquette and not violate it because of personal affection.
Frugal attitude to life: Confucius advocated frugality and opposed extravagance and waste. He believes that the funeral should be done according to its ability, mainly to express sadness, rather than external scale. Confucius' own son, Kong Carp, also died without an outer coffin, reflecting his thrifty philosophy.
In addition, there was another reason, although Yan Hui was Confucius's most proud disciple, his status was not enough to use a funeral with a coffin. If the ritual system is destroyed because of Yan Hui's death, it is not only bad for Yan Hui's reputation, but also may affect the reputation of Confucius.
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The system of every society is the foundation of a society and the cornerstone of maintaining social stability. Everyone should abide by it, not for personal or other reasons. Just as we are now in a society governed by the rule of law, everyone should abide by the law, because if there is no law to restrain the society, there will be turmoil.
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This view is a misinterpretation of Confucius.In the case of Yan Yuan’s coffin, the situation cannot be simply judged from a narrow “payment” perspective.Confucius advocated propriety and moral principles. His love for his students was manifested in his teachings, moral guidance, and the cultivation of their characters.Each of his actions was likely to be in line with the complex moral and cultural connotations of the time, and should be analyzed and understood comprehensively within the context of the entire Confucian ideological system, rather than being misjudged by modern, simple - minded and one - sided views.
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Confucius believed in the principle of moderation and simplicity, especially in matters of funerals and mourning. He felt that spending excessively on the funeral of a person, even someone as dear to him as Yan Hui, was not in line with the virtue of frugality and the proper way to honor the deceased. In his view, what mattered more was the conduct and character of the person during their life rather than the opulence of their funeral.This incident can be seen as a reflection of Confucian teachings on propriety (li), which emphasize the appropriate behavior in social contexts, including rites and ceremonies. It also underscores the value Confucius placed on substance over form, suggesting that true respect and remembrance should come from the heart and not from costly displays.
Confucius's decision regarding the shell for Yan Hui's coffin does not necessarily indicate a lack of sincerity in his affection for his favorite student. Instead, it reflects Confucius's commitment to his principles and teachings, which include the importance of moderation, simplicity, and the avoidance of extravagance, particularly in the context of funerals and mourning rituals.In Confucian thought, the manner in which one conducts oneself, including in the face of death, is a reflection of one's character and the values one upholds. By adhering to his principles, Confucius was setting an example and teaching a lesson, even in the face of personal loss. This act could be interpreted as a demonstration of his deep respect for Yan Hui, as he would want to honor his student in a way that aligns with the virtues they both valued.Confucius's grief at the loss of Yan Hui was well-documented. He was deeply affected by the death of his student, and his sorrow was genuine. The fact that he did not support the use of an expensive shell for the coffin was not about the depth of his feelings for Yan Hui, but rather about the proper and respectful way to conduct a funeral, according to his teachings.
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This view is a misunderstanding of Confucius. Confucius' refusal to sell his carriage to buy an outer shell for Yan Yuan's coffin does not show a lack of sincerity in his "love" for his student but is a result of his adherence to the rites he advocated.
In ancient Chinese funeral customs during the Zhou Dynasty, only important nobles were qualified to have an "outer shell" for their coffins. Yan Yuan was a civilian and did not meet this status. Confucius, as a person who emphasized and adhered to the rites all his life, believed that one should not break these established rules. When his own son passed away, he also did not give his son an outer shell for the coffin although he had a coffin. Therefore, when Yan Yuan's father Yan Lu asked him to sell his carriage to buy an outer shell for Yan Yuan, Confucius refused because he thought it was not in line with the rites.
Despite this refusal, Confucius was extremely saddened by Yan Yuan's death. He had deep affection and respect for Yan Yuan. His actions were based on his principles and beliefs rather than a lack of love for his favorite student.
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