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Sharing your ideas of Confucius's choice on Yan Yuan's funeral.

By 张婷 老师 5天前 2186次浏览

Question: How do you comment on Confucius’s refusal to pay for buying a shell for Yan Yuan’s coffin? Does it show Confucius's lack of sincerity in his "love" toward his so-called "favorite" student?

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  • 2022级2班李欣 1天前

    Confucius said, "You shall not regard your son as your own", which means that you cannot bury him as you would your own son in accordance with the rules of ceremony. His students still buried Yan Yuan solemnly, and Confucius said that it was not his own fault, but the students had done it. This is still an indication that Confucius followed the principle of ritual, even in the matter of the generous burial of Yan Yuan.
    In Confucius' view, Yan Yuan's funeral must meet the requirements of rites.

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  • 2022级5班崔欣萌 1天前

    Confucius's refusal to pay for the shell for Yan Yuan's coffin likely reflects his adherence to principles of propriety and economy rather than a lack of sincerity in his affection for his student. It does not necessarily indicate a lack of love, but rather a demonstration of his belief in appropriate and modest conduct.

     

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  • 4班张琳 1天前

    For Yan Yuan's funeral, Confucius insisted on conducting it according to traditional etiquette, even though his heart may be full of grief. This practice reflects his determination to respect etiquette and maintain social order. He believes that by observing etiquette, we can not only express respect for the deceased, but also educate students to understand and accept the natural laws of life and death. However, this choice has also triggered a discussion on whether etiquette norms should be adjusted according to personal emotions. On the one hand, some people may think that Confucius is too formal and ignores people's emotional needs; on the other hand, some people appreciate that he can transcend personal emotions and adhere to traditional moral standards.

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    • 5班李倩 1天前
      Confucius' choice of funeral ceremony for Yan Hui reflects his deep affection for his disciples and his emphasis on etiquette. In ancient China, funerals were regarded as a very important social and family ritual. They were not only the final farewell to the deceased, but also a comfort to the living, as well as a respect and inheritance of traditional etiquette. Confucius' choice at Yan Hui's funeral can be evaluated from the following aspects: 1 Respect tradition: Confucius emphasized the importance of ritual, believing that ritual is the foundation of social order and interpersonal relationships. At Yan Hui's funeral, Confucius followed the etiquette norms of the time, demonstrating respect for tradition. 2. Sincere emotions: Confucius expressed deep mourning for Yan Hui's death, which reflects the profound friendship between teachers and students. 3. Educational significance: Confucius' actions also have educational significance. Through his own exemplary behavior, he taught his disciples how to treat others with courtesy and how to deal with life and death. 4. Social influence: Confucius' actions had a demonstrative effect on the society at that time. Through his own practice, he promoted the dissemination and development of etiquette culture. Overall, Confucius' choice of funeral ceremony for Yan Hui reflects not only his deep affection for his disciples, but also his emphasis on etiquette and the preservation of traditional values. These behaviors and choices are consistent with Confucius' educational philosophy and philosophy of life.
  • 6班司语涵 1天前

    Confucius's choice regarding Yan Yuan's funeral is a topic that involves deep philosophical and ethical considerations. Yan Yuan was a close disciple of Confucius, and his death undoubtedly caused great sorrow to Confucius. However, the specific details of Confucius's choice for Yan Yuan's funeral are not explicitly recorded in historical texts.

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  • 3班张梦琦 1天前

    Confucius's refusal to sell his carriage to buy an outer shell for Yan Yuan's coffin is a complex issue that reflects his deep respect for the rites and his commitment to societal norms over personal sentiment. This incident does not demonstrate a lack of sincerity in Confucius's love for Yan Yuan, but rather his adherence to the principles of propriety and his understanding of the appropriate response to death and burial within the social hierarchy of the time.

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  • 2班闫婧 1天前

    Confucius refused out of respecr of social system, he cared Yan Yuan.

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  • 5班常文清 1天前

    Respect for Yanyuan's moral characterYan Yuan is known for his noble character. He is happy in poverty and does not pursue material comforts. Confucius knew very well Yan Yuan's character and thought that a generous burial was not in line with Yan Yuan's life philosophy and values. A generous burial may leave Yan Yuan with a "burden" on his back that does not conform to his conduct in life.Yan Yuan spent his life in pursuit of moral and intellectual perfection, and Confucius believed that burying him in a manner consistent with the etiquette would be the true respect for him.

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  • rJFEivfQ 1天前

    Confucius's choice regarding Yan Yuan's funeral rituals reflects his deep respect for personal virtue and moral integrity. By emphasizing proper rituals, he underscores the importance of honoring one's character and contributions to society. This decision also serves as a model for others, demonstrating the significance of maintaining ethical standards in both life and death. Ultimately, it highlights Confucius's belief in the centrality of ritual in cultivating social harmony and moral behavior.

     

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  • 7班李新悦 1天前

    Confucius's choice regarding Yan Yuan's funeral rituals reflects his deep commitment to the principles of propriety, moderation, and respect for the deceased. It serves as a reminder of the importance of adhering to these principles in all aspects of life, even in the face of personal loss.

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  • 07张瀚方 1天前

    Confucius had a deep affection for Yan Yuan. His love for Yan Yuan was not simply manifested in material support but more in spiritual communication and recognition of Yan Yuan's talent and character. For example, he highly praised Yan Yuan's virtue and learning on many occasions.

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  • 7班龚秋玟 1天前

    In the case of Yan Yuan's funeral, Confucius's personal feelings led him to want to give Yan Yuan a more elaborate funeral than what was perhaps the norm for a disciple. This was an expression of his deep love and respect for Yan Yuan. He might have felt that Yan Yuan's qualities deserved special recognition even in death.

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  • 7班杨恩鉴 1天前

    Confucius's refusal to sell his carriage to buy an outer shell for Yan Yuan's coffin is a complex issue that requires an understanding of the cultural and social context of the time, particularly the importance of ritual (礼) in Confucian philosophy. Here are some points to consider:

     

    1. Adherence to Rites: Confucius was a staunch advocate of the Zhou rites, which dictated the appropriate behavior for all aspects of life, including funerals. According to the rites, an outer shell for a coffin was not customary for a person of Yan Yuan's status, who was a commoner. Confucius's refusal to sell his carriage to provide one was in line with his commitment to maintaining the integrity of these rites. It was not a reflection of a lack of love or sincerity but rather an adherence to the social norms and values of his time.

     

    2. Personal Feelings vs. Public Spirit: Confucius's grief over Yan Yuan's death was profound, as evidenced by his lamentations and the depth of his mourning. However, he distinguished between personal feelings and the public spirit, which included adherence to the rites. He chose to prioritize the public spirit over personal sentiment, which was in line with his teachings on the importance of societal order and harmony.

     

    3. Simplicity and Modesty: Yan Yuan was known for his simplicity and modesty. A grand funeral would have been contrary to his character and lifestyle. Confucius, understanding Yan Yuan well, may have believed that a simple burial was more fitting and in keeping with Yan Yuan's own values.

     

    4. Respect for Yan Yuan's Integrity: By refusing to indulge in an extravagant funeral, Confucius was respecting Yan Yuan's integrity and the principles he lived by. To have done otherwise would have been to misrepresent Yan Yuan's life and values.

     

    5. Teaching Moment: Confucius's actions also served as a teaching moment for his disciples about the importance of adhering to the rites and the balance between personal feelings and public duty.

     

    In conclusion, Confucius's refusal to sell his carriage for Yan Yuan's coffin does not indicate a lack of sincerity or love for his student. Instead, it demonstrates his commitment to the principles of ritual and his understanding of what was truly respectful and appropriate for Yan Yuan. It was a complex decision grounded in the Confucian values of propriety, respect, and the balance between personal and public life.

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  • 4班彭珍 1天前

     

    Confucius was a great educator and philosopher in Chinese history. His relationship with his students was based on profound teachings, moral cultivation, and sincere feelings.

    In the context of ancient times, there were specific cultural and social norms at work. Confucius's actions and decisions were often in line with the overall moral and ethical framework of the time. His love and respect for his students were expressed in many aspects such as imparting knowledge, guiding moral growth, and setting good examples. We should view historical figures and their actions from a comprehensive and objective perspective of historical and cultural backgrounds, rather than making unfounded accusations.

     

     

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  • 4班姜耀 1天前

    Confucius’s decision not to purchase a shell for Yan Hui’s coffin, despite his deep affection for his student, is indicative of his commitment to the established rites and his philosophical stance on the matter of life and death. This act does not denote a lack of sincerity in his love for Yan Hui, who was often regarded as his favorite disciple. Instead, it underscores Confucius’s reverence for the customs of his time and his belief in the importance of following the appropriate rituals, even in the face of personal grief. It is a testament to the complexity of Confucian thought, where personal emotions are balanced with the need to uphold societal norms and the integrity of the Confucian ethical system.

     

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  • 6班刘颜 1天前

    This view is inaccurate. Confucius' decision was based on the observance of rites. In ancient times, there were strict regulations about coffins and funerals. His actions were in line with the concepts of propriety and his teachings, not a sign of insincerity.

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  • 2022级7班傅饶 1天前

    Confucius's choices for Yan Yuan's funeral rites present a complex interplay between personal grief and societal norms. As a proponent of Confucian philosophy, which emphasizes ritual propriety ('li'), Confucius would have been guided by the moral imperative to honor his student while adhering to the social hierarchy and norms of his time. His decisions reflect a balance between personal emotions and public expectations, offering a lesson in moral judgment that resonates through the ages. This balance between individual sentiment and collective standards is a timeless challenge, inviting contemplation on how it is navigated in both historical and contemporary contexts.

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  • 06胡志雯 1天前

    Confucius's refusal to pay for buying a shell for Yan Yuan's coffin is a complex issue that requires careful consideration from multiple perspectives. To evaluate this incident, we need to understand the historical and cultural context in which it occurred, as well as the specific details and broader implications of Confucius's actions.

     

    Firstly, it's important to note that in ancient Chinese culture, the relationship between teachers and students was highly valued and respected. Confucius, as a renowned educator and philosopher, had a deep emotional bond with his students, including Yan Yuan. The term "favorite student" might be a simplification, as Confucius's relationships with his students were nuanced and multifaceted.

     

    When it comes to the incident with the shell for Yan Yuan's coffin, Confucius's refusal to pay could be interpreted in several ways. One possible explanation is that he believed that the value of the gesture was not in the material cost but in the sentiment and respect expressed. In other words, the act of purchasing the shell was not as important as the spirit of mourning and reverence for his deceased student.

     

    Furthermore, Confucius might have been adhering to a principle of simplicity and moderation in mourning practices. In ancient China, excessive displays of grief or material wealth were often viewed with suspicion. By refusing to pay for the shell, Confucius could be seen as upholding these values and setting an example for his students and followers.

     

    On the other hand, some might argue that Confucius's refusal to pay could be seen as a lack of tangible support or generosity towards his student. However, it's crucial to remember that the expression of love and respect in ancient China was often more nuanced and spiritual than it is today. Material wealth was not always the primary measure of one's affection or commitment.

     

    Ultimately, whether Confucius's refusal to pay for the shell shows a lack of sincerity in his "love" towards Yan Yuan depends on one's interpretation of the incident and the values they hold. It's important to approach such historical figures and events with an open mind and a willingness to understand the complexities of the time and culture in which they occurred.

     

    In conclusion, Confucius's actions in this incident should be viewed in the context of his broader philosophy and teaching, as well as the cultural norms and values of his time. His refusal to pay for the shell does not necessarily reflect a lack of sincerity in his feelings for Yan Yuan, but rather a commitment to certain principles and values that he held dear.

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  • 7班孙秸檥 1天前

    The fact that Confucius refused to sell the carriage does not mean he didn't love Yan Yuan. On the contrary, in other aspects, such as his grief over Yan Yuan's death and his praise for Yan Yuan's character and learning, it can be seen that he had deep affection and high regard for this student.

     

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  • 英语202204谭竣丹 1天前

    In spring and Autumn period: there was a strict heirarchy of funerals, so confucius's choice is followed by his rules.

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  • 6班靳雨鑫 1天前

    1.Maintaining Ritual Propriety : Confucius placed great importance on ritual propriety, which includes adhering to social norms and customs. By not selling his carriage, Confucius may have been adhering to what he believed were the proper rituals for mourning and burial, avoiding what he might have seen as an excessive or improper display of wealth.

    2. Avoiding Hypocrisy: Confucius emphasized the importance of consistency in one's actions. He may have felt that selling his carriage for Yan Hui's funeral, when he had not done so for his own father, would be hypocritical and contrary to the principles of filial piety 

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  • 2班毛丽 1天前

    Confucius's decision on Yan Yuan's funeral rituals shows the balance between personal affection and social norms. His grief for Yan Yuan reflects the personal side of Confucianism, emphasizing relationships and sincere emotions. However, he also upheld societal rituals, demonstrating his commitment to the social order and his teachings on ritual propriety. This choice illustrates the struggle to align personal feelings with societal expectations and the importance of maintaining social harmony in Confucian ethics.

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  • 6班李乐 1天前

    Confucius's choice not to sell his carriage for Yan Yuan's outer coffin was complex. On one hand, it was about adhering to propriety. In his view, a carriage was a symbol of his status, and propriety couldn't be violated easily. On the other hand, it might also be related to his concept of accepting fate. Despite his deep love for Yan Yuan, he had to follow certain principles.

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  • 王英姿 1天前

    Confucius' handling of Yan Yuan's burial reflects his principles of adhering to ritual, opposing elaborate funerals, and respecting personal feelings. The following is a detailed analysis:

    Adhering to Ritual:

       - Confucius believed that funerals should be based on a heart of mourning and sincerity was paramount.

       - He opposed behaviors that violated rituals, including elaborate funerals and any form of non-compliance with rituals.

       - When Yan Yuan passed away, Confucius explicitly opposed the disciples' plan for an elaborate funeral because he thought it did not conform to the rules of ritual.

     

    2. Opposing Elaborate Funerals:

       - Confucius advocated that funerals should be conducted according to one's means, based on the family's financial situation.

       - He believed that elaborate funerals were not only unnecessary but might also contradict the deceased's wishes, therefore, he opposed the disciples' plan for an elaborate funeral for Yan Yuan.

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  • 03张倩 1天前

    Confucius sticks to the rules of etiquette, advocates doing according to one's ability and respects Yan Yuan's will. These thoughts not only reflect the wisdom and moral concepts of Confucius, but also provide useful enlightenment for us to deal with funeral issues today.

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  • 07甄娅琳 1天前

    What is important is the people who still live in the world. If confucius had agreed to Yan Yuan's father's request, it would not have changed anything; it would have only been a pursuit of some reputation. Moreover, in those days, it was not customary for a father to prepare the outer coffin for his son, which also did not conform to etiquette.

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  • 7班林晨 1天前

    Confucius's decision to conduct Yan Yuan's funeral rituals with the honors typically reserved for a son, despite Yan Yuan being only a disciple, highlights his belief in recognizing and rewarding virtue and moral excellence. This choice demonstrates that in Confucian philosophy, the bonds of virtue and the respect for one's character can surpass the formalities of familial relations, emphasizing the importance of moral integrity in social and ritual practices.

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  • 202202张玉婷 1天前

    Although Confucius was very sad in his heart, he would not overstep the rules of etiquette because of his feelings. According to the Zhou ceremony, the funeral level should match the status of the deceased. After the death of the scholar-official can have coffins and coffins, Yan Yuan did not become an official, not a scholar-official, so should not be buried. On the other hand, Yan Hui has been living in poverty and happiness, according to his own consistent style, he certainly does not want to be buried after death.

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  • 2班苏维雅 1天前

    Confucius' choice in Yan Yuan's funeral was not cold - blooded or heartless. Confucius' concept of governance by ritesConfucius advocated that "In the matter of rites, it is better to be sparing than extravagant. In the matter of mourning, it is better to have deep sorrow than a perfunctory observance." . That is to say, in funerals, sincere mourning should be the fundamental principle, rather than the pursuit of luxurious forms. He thought that Yan Yuan had been poor and simple during his lifetime and had always abided by the rites. If he was given a lavish burial, it would go against Yan Yuan's original intention. Therefore, Confucicius advocated that Yan Yuan's funeral should be arranged simply in accordance with the rites.

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  • 6班周姿君 1天前

    Yan Hui lived in poverty and never became an official. Confucius wanted to respect Yan Hui for his poverty, but after his death he was buried ceremoniesly by other disciples. Confucius thought this was against Yan Hui's will.

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  • 2022级7班熊艳枫 1天前

    Confucius showed great restraint and propriety in matters related to Yan Yuan's funeral. His ideas were in line with the Confucian concepts of propriety (li) and the proper way of treating the dead. Confucius believed in observing the appropriate rites and ceremonies, which not only showed respect for the deceased but also had educational and moral implications for the living. It was about maintaining the balance between emotional expression and following the established norms of the society.

     

     

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